Design in Fossil Organisms - 180002

0:04 [Music] 0:30 welcome to the creator revealed 0:33 I'm Tim Standish I'm a scientist who 0:35 works for the Geoscience Research 0:38 Institute and we are so glad that you 0:41 are joining us today I'm Shelley Quinn 0:44 I'm here to represent the average person 0:47 who's just going whoa he tells us these 0:50 things what we do in the first segment 0:53 the first 15 minutes we will be talking 0:55 about some scientific fact that I think 0:59 you will find fascinating because will 1:01 show how God our Creator is revealed in 1:06 his creation and then we'll come back 1:09 with the second half to have a biblical 1:12 application a discussion of this so 1:14 please stay tuned for the entire program 1:17 what are we going to learn today we're 1:19 gonna learn something that many people 1:21 have an incorrect view of it's about 1:25 fossils people believe that fossils 1:28 somehow other irrefutable proof of 1:33 Charles Darwin's theory of evolution the 1:37 reality is actually quite the opposite 1:39 when we look at those fossils they tell 1:43 us something about the Creator amen so 1:47 before we actually get into that I want 1:50 to draw your attention to a text that 1:54 was written by the Apostle Paul to the 1:58 people in Ephesus okay hey this is 2:01 Ephesians 5 32 and Paul wrote this he 2:07 said this is a great mystery but I speak 2:10 concerning Christ and the church the way 2:15 I want to apply that text with fossils 2:18 is like this fossils are remains of 2:23 organisms that lived in the past 2:26 unfortunately we can't do time travel 2:29 and go back and actually see what 2:33 happened so in many ways they are a 2:36 great mystery they're a mystery yes and 2:38 it's a mystery that is profound because 2:40 we can't go back in time we can't 2:43 really know certain things about them 2:46 for example we don't know what sounds 2:49 fossil organisms made is we don't know 2:53 how a dinosaur sounded he could have 2:55 been squeaky he could have been squeaky 2:57 he could have been silent 2:58 he might have hissed like a lizard we 3:00 just don't know and we cannot 3:03 realistically know we can speculate and 3:06 that's all so let's look at a dinosaur 3:10 okay oh I've got a great dinosaur this 3:13 is this is the tallest dinosaur that's 3:17 known and when you look at that it's 3:21 pretty big in fact it's about thirteen 3:24 point two seven meters tall what effect 3:28 about forty feet yes 13:13 well a meter 3:34 is a little bit over a yard it's about 3:36 39 inches so we're talking about a very 3:39 very tall creature very intimidating to 3:43 meet him when you're out picking berries 3:45 I'm sure yes you know I think I probably 3:48 wouldn't want to get trodden on by him 3:50 but the good news is this particular 3:52 dinosaur like many other dinosaurs 3:54 they're commonly vegetarian they're 3:57 obviously there are meat-eating 3:58 dinosaurs we all know about t-rex and 4:01 and dinosaurs like that but no this was 4:04 a vegetarian and probably ate an awful 4:07 lot of vegetables let's put it that way 4:11 when I look at something like this a 4:14 wood comes to them to my mind and it's a 4:17 great that's a great sounding wood I 4:19 love the way it comes off your tongue is 4:20 teleology it sounds like something you 4:23 might do in the afternoon in England yes 4:26 morning teleology an afternoon teleology 4:29 but it means something quite different 4:31 it's built off the root word tele 4:34 something out there something along like 4:38 a telescope you're looking at something 4:39 far away the idea of teleology is 4:42 something that it's a situation where 4:46 you have a goal out there somewhere out 4:49 there and it's moved towards it's it's a 4:52 goal an intelligent being has a goal and 4:55 then 4:56 makes does work to get towards that goal 5:00 it could be walking towards that it 5:01 could be engineering for example there's 5:04 a goal of making something an aeroplane 5:06 or a car or okay or a computer anything 5:10 like that there's that going a design 5:12 planning exactly but it exists first in 5:15 the in the brain and then in reality 5:18 okay yeah so that's the idea 5:20 now fossil organisms like living 5:22 organisms had complex integrated systems 5:26 that were necessary for their survival 5:29 circulatory systems muscle systems 5:32 skeletal systems nervous systems all of 5:35 those had to work together that's an 5:38 indicator that there was some sort of 5:39 teleology involved they something that 5:42 someone was working towards the goal of 5:44 making a dinosaur and yeah so somebody 5:48 anticipated their need the dinosaurs 5:50 need or or the other fossil organisms 5:53 need and thought of a solution to every 5:56 problem that needed to be solved for 5:58 them to live okay that had to be solved 6:01 first before they could come into 6:03 existence it's not something you could 6:05 muddle your way towards once you have 6:08 the dinosaur you might be able to have 6:10 it grow a little bit bigger or a little 6:12 bit smaller or something like that but 6:14 the basic systems all had to be in place 6:16 first especially that big dude oh it's 6:22 you know in our experience only 6:24 intelligence is capable of doing is 6:26 having that plan and integrating 6:28 everything and making it happen so 6:30 teleology is something we can look at in 6:32 all living things but we can also see 6:34 evidence of it in fossil things so when 6:37 we talk about that incredibly tall 6:39 dinosaur we can see that there was some 6:42 teleology involved some intelligence 6:45 involved in its production in making it 6:48 in creating it and we can do that by 6:51 looking at a modern organism the tallest 6:55 living animal director of right now a 6:58 really tall giraffe would hit about six 7:01 meters so it's pushing about 20 a little 7:04 less than 20 feet and 7:08 there are all sorts of things does it 7:11 design things we could talk about with 7:13 diners with with giraffes but let's look 7:17 at a problem that they have to solve an 7:20 engineering problem that would also have 7:22 been solved by the dinosaur so let's see 7:26 how they solve it 7:27 it's called hydrostatic pressure this is 7:29 basically the problem that they face 7:31 when they're trying to get blood up to 7:33 the top of their head when you're 7:36 pumping blood up obviously their heart 7:39 is down in their body it's it's going 7:43 against gravity that's going against 7:44 gravity it's pumping it up this so the 7:47 blood has to go up about three meters 7:49 that's about ten feet that it has to go 7:52 that's that's a lot of weight of blood 7:54 that you've got to push up so therefore 7:57 you've got to have very high blood 7:59 pressure if you want to do that and when 8:02 you look at the numbers it's quite 8:03 shocking really 280 over 180 is their 8:07 normal blood pressure a human being with 8:10 blood pressure that high we're not have 8:12 it over well they exactly our blood 8:15 vessels would explode under those 8:17 circumstances so they have to have very 8:19 strong very strong blood vessels right 8:22 and of course that also means that they 8:25 must have a very powerful heart 8:30 now some people people used to think oh 8:33 that means they have a really huge heart 8:35 but they don't they have a heart that on 8:38 the outside at least is about the same 8:40 size as as you would expect for an 8:42 animal of their sizes I've always heard 8:44 that giraffes had large hearts but 8:46 that's a they really don't but what they 8:48 do is they have very thick walls on 8:50 their heart okay so the heart is a 8:53 muscle right and the muscle there's a 8:56 lot of muscle there which means that 8:58 inside that space that you know the 9:00 ventricles where the blood is who flows 9:03 in and then is squeezed out under 9:05 pressure as it's pumped out the 9:08 ventricles are actually quite small okay 9:12 hmm so that means that every exactly 9:16 that means every time they squeeze it's 9:18 just a little bit of blood that goes out 9:19 so but they have to put out a lot of 9:21 blood 9:22 so what can they do go fast that's right 9:25 they can pump fast so their heart beats 9:27 very very fast relative to ours or other 9:30 organisms yeah so they have this rapid 9:32 heartbeat and then finally they have a 9:36 really interesting problem because we've 9:37 been talking about getting the blood up 9:39 to the top right up to the top of their 9:41 head but what happens to that blood that 9:43 went all the way down to the bottom it 9:45 has to come back up from the tip of 9:47 their foot all the way back up into 9:50 their body and back to their heart so 9:52 how does it get squeezed back tight skin 9:55 like pressure like pressure 9:57 exactly squeezing the blood back up into 10:01 their body so you can see then that 10:06 however these were created we believe 10:08 God create it had to be an intelligent 10:11 creator who looked ahead and planned for 10:16 every step for this creature to exist as 10:21 a species that's different than you and 10:23 I exactly very good teleology 10:27 intelligence yes god that's that's 10:31 that's a logical way of moving forward 10:35 then when we look at at other kinds of 10:37 fossils what we can see is we can look 10:40 at living things that they are 10:42 essentially the same as so for example 10:45 here I'm showing you a nautilus shell 10:47 and a fossil nautilus shell on the left 10:51 they're so bad how old but especially 10:54 this particular one I'm not entirely 10:57 sure but it would be millions of years 10:59 according to and yet and you can see how 11:03 much evolution has occurred over those 11:05 millions of years so we want to clarify 11:09 because I don't want someone riding this 11:11 station that we don't believe it's been 11:13 millions of years exactly but that's 11:15 what many scientists what what the 11:18 fossils do not show is change I mean 11:21 this is what a modern Nautilus looks 11:24 like but this is a grasshopper we can 11:27 see it's pretty much the same as a 11:28 modern grasshopper what's this that's a 11:31 dragon it's a dragonfly he had four 11:33 wings that's right just like a modern 11:35 dragonfly 11:35 this one I love this is a a lizard a 11:38 kind of gecko actually and geckos will 11:42 drop their tail sometimes a new one 11:44 grows back this this ancient one he's 11:46 very growing and he's regrowing a tail 11:48 so the ancient lizard had the ability of 11:51 the ancient gecko had the ability that 11:54 we see in the modern lizards what we 11:56 don't see is if evolution that's amazing 11:59 we might see things lost but we 12:02 certainly don't see evolution there's a 12:05 shock now we can recognize all of these 12:08 things but I want to get to this fossil 12:11 organisms also suggest behavioral 12:14 complexity it's not just the the the 12:19 morphology the organs and those sorts of 12:22 things their behavior the example I want 12:24 to use is a marsupial this happens to be 12:28 the largest marsupial fossil help there 12:31 Diprotodon but I want to just point out 12:35 that modern modern marsupials the ones 12:39 who carried their babies in a pouch 12:41 okay here in the United States we have a 12:44 massive every opossum I went running out 12:50 one morning because my dog was barking 12:51 and I saw this this mother opossum and 12:55 she was exhibiting a behavior she had 12:59 all of her little darlings there on her 13:02 back and she was not going to let that 13:06 can you count them I don't know what a 13:09 fabulous mother what you know I don't 13:12 want to have a pet one of those things 13:14 and nobody seems to understand why 13:16 they're just so gorgeous lovely lovely 13:20 creatures but the point is ancient 13:23 creatures they had to have behaviors to 13:27 take care of their young so what does 13:30 this reveal about the Creator I'm 13:33 suggesting at least a couple of things 13:35 first he encourages thoughtfulness in 13:40 people as we study these fossils we need 13:43 to be thoughtful we have to understand 13:45 that we don't understand everything 13:46 about them 13:48 but we can see evidence of their 13:52 creation and they tell us something 13:54 about God himself yes and we see the 13:57 same wisdom love and the value that God 14:03 placed on diversity when he did his 14:06 creation we see it in modern organisms 14:10 and we see it in ancient organisms and 14:12 it just supports that God is love God is 14:15 all-powerful and we're excited to come 14:19 back in just a moment we're gonna be 14:22 gone for 60 seconds so stay tuned 14:24 because we will come back to look at the 14:27 biblical application of these principles 14:30 [Music] 14:36 welcome back to the Creator revealed I 14:39 was telling Tim I don't know if it is 14:42 his doctorate in biology or felices 14:44 accent that makes him look so 14:46 intelligent but guess what we've got his 14:49 boss with us today 14:50 and now you've got some competition it's 14:55 it's fun working at the Geoscience 14:57 Research Institute because I have a 15:00 group of colleagues who are so 15:03 interesting and know so much trust me we 15:07 keep one another humble and it's it's 15:13 enjoyable to discuss the very things 15:15 that we are talking about in this the 15:19 Creator revealed series now up until 15:23 this point in this in this particular 15:27 episode we've been talking about design 15:30 in fossils but I've been concentrating 15:33 mainly on dinosaurs and the idea that 15:39 hey you know we find organisms living 15:42 today they look designed and we find 15:44 fossils of those same organisms is that 15:47 the same so we'd expect that they you 15:49 know it's just just sort of reasonably 15:51 consistent to believe that in fact those 15:55 fossils represent designed organisms as 15:59 well dr. Gibbs 16:01 has made a study of a kind of fossil 16:06 called an ammonite now that sounds like 16:09 something from the Bible right dad 16:10 but let's let him explain these to us a 16:13 little bit welcome dr. Gibson thank you 16:18 so I just happen to have here with me a 16:22 fossil ammonites shell it's interesting 16:26 that looks sort of white is snail yeah 16:32 except it's kind of flat there's some 16:34 flat snails - yeah it's a moment like a 16:38 snail is notice that it has a spiral 16:42 shape to it 16:44 you notice that spiral there that's kind 16:46 of cool I kind of like the shape it 16:48 reminds me of a chambered nautilus but 16:50 you've probably heard about not long ago 16:53 there's there's some differences between 16:55 the Nautilus and the ammonite 16:59 so they're there different kinds of 17:01 things but there's very little a lot of 17:02 similarity - I just have this little toy 17:08 here that illustrates what the thing 17:11 looked like if I can get in here is a 17:14 little bit like an octopus yes yeah in 17:19 fact it is a lot like a squid or an 17:21 octopus with a shell on it it's kind of 17:25 an unusual thing but notice that spiral 17:28 shape again and I kind of like that 17:30 spiral shape it's interesting and one of 17:35 the interesting things about it is it 17:37 has a mathematical basis there's an 17:41 actual you can write an equation for a 17:43 spiral well I think wow that got created 17:49 by a great mathematician maybe it's 17:53 great to think though that God is such a 17:56 genius at mathematics not just because 17:59 of the spiral this of course but because 18:02 mathematics has found throughout nature 18:04 yeah that's really kind of a remodeling 18:07 thing that in in all living things we 18:10 find these that mathematics can describe 18:13 things that 18:15 but why do they have to white why does 18:18 it have to be that way well it probably 18:20 doesn't 18:21 it's just that mathematics is is the 18:26 basis of the universe apparently but 18:28 also in living things quite quite 18:30 incredible yes I think it tells us 18:34 something about the Creator he's a 18:36 mathematician he invented mathematics I 18:39 guess well the the beauty I should say 18:45 that the interest and I think it's 18:47 beauty to the interest in that she'll a 18:50 spiral shape is kind of interesting in 18:53 fact I think it's okay to say that it's 18:55 beautiful and that beauty that I see in 18:59 the ammonite show I see it in the 19:01 anomalous shell the chamber dramas and 19:04 other things it makes me wonder why 19:08 should nature be beautiful and why am I 19:13 able to appreciate that beauty I don't I 19:17 mean I've got a couple of house cats I 19:20 don't see them admiring beautiful things 19:24 I haven't noticed other animals doing 19:27 that why me on you why do we appreciate 19:31 beauty and I think it's because we were 19:34 created in the image of a God who 19:37 himself appreciates and loves beauty and 19:42 I I find that interesting it isn't a 19:47 tree and an unnecessary correlation 19:52 really isn't it the the creation is 19:54 beautiful and we have minds that are 19:58 capable of appreciating that beauty 20:01 it didn't doesn't seem like it would 20:03 have to be that way because of the laws 20:05 of physics or or may be some other 20:08 explanation like natural selection why 20:11 why would it be that way well if you 20:14 believe that the character of the 20:16 Creator involves beauty and wanting to 20:24 give pleasure to other beings 20:28 then it makes an awful lot of sense but 20:31 if you're not talking about something 20:33 like the God of the Bible it makes no 20:34 sense at all so what I won't kill if we 20:38 go back to it I'm sorry go ahead 20:41 if we go back to that ammonite and put 20:44 take a look you'll see he's got an eye 20:47 and look at now of course this is just a 20:50 toy but it's believed that the eye of 20:53 the ammonite did look a lot like that 20:55 and part of the reason for that of 20:57 course is by comparison of the chamber 20:59 thoughtless when we can see the eye and 21:01 see that it's quite the technically 21:04 advanced quite sophisticated so there's 21:08 another thing we can learn about design 21:11 in the ammonite the eye is carefully 21:15 crafted with not only physical parts 21:20 that are put together in a in a 21:22 functional secrets but molecular 21:24 machines that are in the you know where 21:27 we can't see them particularly but the 21:29 idea of vision is spectacular our 21:34 engineering feat yeah it's nice 21:37 I see the Creator must be an engineer 21:40 beyond our experience yeah when you 21:43 start looking at organisms you can 21:45 appreciate them all the way down from 21:47 from the from the gross structure the 21:50 environment they live in all the way 21:52 down into the actual molecules that 21:55 they're made of quite quite remarkable 21:57 so what's it what's inside that shell 22:00 what's what's going on with it well if 22:03 you split the shell open you will feel 22:07 fine and here's here's an example of an 22:09 ammonite with its shell split open it's 22:13 comparable think that it has a series 22:15 you can see that spiral very clearly 22:18 there and you can see that has a series 22:21 of chambers there little lines dividing 22:25 the chambers it seems that the animals 22:28 started out living in the smallest one 22:30 at the center of the spiral and then is 22:33 it outgrew the chamber it added another 22:36 one and so in a spiral saw the spiral 22:41 as the animal group leaving a series of 22:46 chambers behind it the animal living in 22:50 the outermost chamber that is kind of 22:55 cool 22:56 and so when you have those empty 23:00 chambers you might ask well is there 23:03 anything you can do with those empty 23:05 chambers and the answer is yes you can 23:09 fill them with gas or water pumping them 23:13 back and forth through a little tube and 23:17 by doing that you can regulate the 23:21 density of the Ammon egg and then it can 23:24 move up or down in the water and so it 23:28 could control the buoyancy its ability 23:32 to move up and down in the water by 23:35 controlling the amount of gas in these 23:37 little chambers so basically I'm just 23:41 gonna say there's a definite function to 23:44 the design and that's what we see 23:46 everything God created yeah what's 23:49 interesting to me is the is the 23:51 combining of this very practical thing 23:55 that allows this organism to decide 23:58 where it's going to be in the water by 24:00 adjusting the amount of gas inside 24:02 inside those chambers and and yet the 24:05 beauty yes as well it's not it's not an 24:08 ugly thing it turns out to be a 24:10 beautiful and practical thing 24:13 form and function going together yes and 24:17 then if you could imagine this damp this 24:20 shell with an animal in the animal 24:21 living near the end here in the chamber 24:27 that isn't preserved here but then that 24:30 means all these other chambers are 24:32 filled with gas so that would tell you 24:36 that the chambers filled with gas with 24:38 the uppermost in the water so you could 24:42 predict that the animal would be 24:43 floating around something like this 24:45 with that most of the chambers above it 24:48 and that animal on the bottom so 24:50 fabulous so it's actually orienting 24:53 itself as a result of it that would also 24:54 be 24:55 tected design then right I guess so yeah 24:58 well in position okay well thank you so 25:03 much for joining us dr. Gibson it's been 25:05 a real pleasure it makes me want to go 25:07 out and get my own land fossil a monoid 25:14 you know it's just so fascinating to me 25:17 that what makes us different than 25:19 animals we've already discussed that 25:21 animals and humans were made of the dust 25:24 of the ground we have the we both have 25:27 the breath of the life in us but what 25:31 makes us different is that God created 25:34 us with a specific function and we see 25:38 that everything God creates has a 25:40 function and a form and this is really 25:43 fascinating yeah well in the case of 25:45 human beings what I love is he gave us 25:48 this particular role in his creation and 25:51 function in his creation and he equipped 25:54 us for that role so our ability for 25:58 example to do mathematics this complex 26:00 abstract mathematics is useful to us as 26:04 we care for the creation as we study the 26:09 creation and we learn so much more about 26:13 God's wisdom and God's character from 26:18 these incredible things even these 26:20 fossils where the design is so clear and 26:24 so beautiful at the same time it's an 26:28 amazing God he is the artist yes well I 26:32 want to thank our audience for joining 26:36 us for this particular episode if you're 26:38 fascinated by fossils well then you're a 26:40 lot like me but we are talking about all 26:43 sorts of different things in this 26:46 Creator the Creator revealed series of 26:51 programs I hope that you'll join us for 26:54 future episodes we've certainly enjoyed 26:57 spending this time with you god bless 26:59 you 27:02 [Music] 27:23 you